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I will be 180 pounds or less by June 4th, or Tim Eyman will have a donation for $5000. That's about 8 pounds in 6 weeks.

Today I signed up at a gym in Bellingham. Tomorrow I will be deciding between a Boot Camp class and a personal trainer.

I don't want Tim Eyman to get any money.
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dangergirljones From: dangergirljones Date: April 24th, 2008 05:56 am (UTC) (Link)

Tough Love

I highly recommend a personal trainer.

But you will waste your money if you can't accept that you need to listen to them. If you do you're normal Phil knows best routine, you will not get the most out of the experience.

But why reward Tim Eyman for you struggles. If you get a trainer and you don't reach your goal, donate the money to a program that helps kids stay healthy, or freakin get me a trainer - I'd love to get a trainer again (with out the credit card debt). Or sponsor another one of your friends to lose weight.

So much could be done with that, why waste it on Eyman?
gkr From: gkr Date: April 24th, 2008 06:00 am (UTC) (Link)

Re: Tough Love

Because if the money goes to a good cause, then there isn't as much of an incentive to achieve the goal.

Also, if a personal trainer tells me that caffeinated drinks don't count toward liquid intake, he's still full of shit. Phil does know best.
gargoylettelc From: gargoylettelc Date: April 24th, 2008 06:14 am (UTC) (Link)

Re: Tough Love

Oh Jeebus! Caffinated drinks diurese, and that is simple physiology. Reading an article does not make you an expert on physiology, or hell, taking several classes on physiology doesnt make you an expert either. I'm not an expert, but you are honestly one of the only people I know touting this fact, and as far as I can tell, you have little health care training/education or experience. If you tell me to give you an article on that, I will tell you to go do 100 push ups. You of all people should know that you can find research on any topic that supports any point you want.
gkr From: gkr Date: April 24th, 2008 06:22 am (UTC) (Link)

Re: Tough Love

I'll take peer-reviewed research and falsifiable experiment over word-of-mouth and everybody knows any day. Might as well start believing in creationism otherwise.
dangergirljones From: dangergirljones Date: April 24th, 2008 07:43 am (UTC) (Link)

Re: Tough Love

See, it only took one comment for you to talk back.

Here is the thing, LIFE IS NOT A MATH PROBLEM. THERE ARE MORE THAN ONE SOLUTION. You just find the method that works best for you and that's it.

Do you want to be right or do you want to succeed?
gkr From: gkr Date: April 24th, 2008 04:26 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: Tough Love

I don't recall asking for advice. And yet the first comment you posted was about how I would do things wrong. So shocking that I talked back.
dangergirljones From: dangergirljones Date: April 24th, 2008 05:18 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: Tough Love

Just because you don't ask for advice, doesn't mean offering advice is not a valid response. That's called having a conversation.

Also, my talk back comment was in reference to your reply to gargoylettelc, not my response.

So let me rephrase my response :

"That's a great idea Phil! I think losing weight is wonderful and I think you should be happy, becasue I'm your friend and I care about you. at the same time, you do have a tendancy to look down on other peoples opinions when you don't see them as educated as your own, so while I would recommend hiring a personal trainer to help you achieve your goals, I'd hope that you will be open the the experience of having someone help you. I support whatever decision you make and wishe you GOOD Luck!"

faerieburst From: faerieburst Date: April 25th, 2008 08:31 am (UTC) (Link)

Re: Tough Love

Any reason he can't be right AND succeed?

Never did have much truck with that "can only be one or the other" formula. I've found personally that "and" is better.

dangergirljones From: dangergirljones Date: April 25th, 2008 04:54 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: Tough Love

Actually, that statement came straight from Phil's "You can be Right or you can be Happy" philosophy.
faerieburst From: faerieburst Date: April 25th, 2008 05:00 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: Tough Love

Yeah, I know. And I've said the same thing to him when he's said it. It doesn't have to be an "or."

gargoylettelc From: gargoylettelc Date: April 24th, 2008 02:13 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: Tough Love

It's not 'word of mouth' or creationism, I'm talking about standard medical practice. How long have you worked in Health Care? Oh, yeah. Let's see, any caffeine IVs in a hospital to wake up a TBI patient? NO. If someone has volume depletion, or episodes of orthstatic hypotention and syncope, NO MD or RN I have ever known will tell these people that caffeine counts towards their fluid intake! Now, if a young, healthy individual doesn't drink quite enough fluid and drinks a lot of caffeine, they probably won't have any serious consequences per say as their system can adjust more easily, but may feel a little dizzy. Now, if you have an individual you has renal issues, dehydration, UTI, their system absolutely cannot adapt. Again, you would need some kind of 'formula' vs set fluid amount for ANY person, as age, weight, exercise, nutrition and cormorbidities will effect the recommendation, which is what I tried to tell you the last time. Now, I can't pull up a research article for you, BECAUSE I AM ACTUALLY WORKING IN THE HEALTH CARE FIELD WITH PATIENTS ALL DAY. No offense, but I would come to you in a heartbeat for computer info, and many other subjects, but I've worked in health care 19 years, and have probably seen a few more things than you have.
gkr From: gkr Date: April 24th, 2008 02:40 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: Tough Love

In the absence of evidence otherwise, I defer to experience. However, there is evidence on caffeinated beverages. If you want to convince me that caffeinated beverages do not hydrate a person, you'll need to find one of these studies that say drinking them doesn't hydrate. Arguing "but I know better" doesn't convince me, and neither do capital letters. If you don't want to find such a study, and you still think I'm wrong, then you'll just need to let me be wrong.
chiaspod From: chiaspod Date: April 25th, 2008 08:38 am (UTC) (Link)

Re: Tough Love

So, in your professional opinion, you're saying that the roughly 55 milligrams in a Diet Mountain Dew is more than enough to offset the other 355 milliliters (minus 55 milligrams) of fluid?

Phil didn't even come close to saying that caffeine - straight, pure, god-like caffeine - is perfect for fluid intake; he contends that caffeinated drinks count towards fluid intake - which they do. The fluid intake versus the diuretic effect is well on the positive side of the equation.

faerieburst From: faerieburst Date: April 25th, 2008 08:50 am (UTC) (Link)

Re: Tough Love

"Now, I can't pull up a research article for you,"

But I can.


The relevant part to this discussion (emphasis mine):

"Additionally, the idea that one must specifically drink water because the diuretic effects of caffeinated drinks such as coffee, tea, and soda actually produce a net loss of fluid appears to be erroneous. The average person retains about half to two-thirds the amount of fluid taken in by consuming these types of beverages, and those who regularly consume caffeinated drinks retain even more:

Regular coffee and tea drinkers become accustomed to caffeine and lose little, if any, fluid. In a study published in the October issue of the Journal of the American College of Nutrition, researchers at the Center for Human Nutrition in Omaha measured how different combinations of water, coffee and caffeinated sodas affected the hydration status of 18 healthy adults who drink caffeinated beverages routinely.

"We found no significant differences at all," says nutritionist Ann Grandjean, the study's lead author. "The purpose of the study was to find out if caffeine is dehydrating in healthy people who are drinking normal amounts of it. It is not."

The same goes for tea, juice, milk and caffeinated sodas: One glass provides about the same amount of hydrating fluid as a glass of water. The only common drinks that produce a net loss of fluids are those containing alcohol — and usually it takes more than one of those to cause noticeable dehydration, doctors say."

The study that was written up in the Journal of the American College of Nutrition can be found here: http://www.jacn.org/cgi/content/full/19/5/591

"Now, if a young, healthy individual doesn't drink quite enough fluid and drinks a lot of caffeine, they probably won't have any serious consequences per say as their system can adjust more easily, but may feel a little dizzy."

Not according to Ann C. Grandjean, EdD, FACN, CNS, Kristin J. Reimers, RD, MS, Karen E. Bannick, MA and Mary C. Haven, MS, who did the above study. They say it doesn't have anything to do with "adjusting" and, in fact, drinking the caffeinated beverages regularly increases the amount you retain from them. Given that the person we are talking about here is a reasonably young, reasonably healthy male who is not having "episodes of orthstatic hypotention" or "renal issues", etc., what a doctor would or would not recommend for those ailments isn't relevant.

You question Philip's credentials on this, but somehow I don't think you can argue those of the people who ran that study.

And they say, as it relates to a healthy person, you are wrong.

sirensanssmile From: sirensanssmile Date: April 27th, 2008 07:01 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: Tough Love

"Let's see, any caffeine IVs in a hospital...."

If they did then I would so be in the hospital getting my fix mainlined to me. Oh how that would be a dream.
Stop teasing!
evillinn From: evillinn Date: April 24th, 2008 06:05 am (UTC) (Link)
Are you doing stickk.com, or is this on your own?
gkr From: gkr Date: April 24th, 2008 06:07 am (UTC) (Link)
Neither. It's a goal I'm setting for myself as part of mentoring.
mrsloane From: mrsloane Date: April 25th, 2008 01:17 pm (UTC) (Link)
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