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Heroes sucks
Gee, I don't want to open this box! This is why I hate Peter Petrelli. The guy never had a spine. Oh, but he has love, that's why he was able to save the day last season. What ever.

Hey! I'm a cheerleader! I didn't trust my dad last season, but he proved to be the best. So this season, I'm not going to listen to him at all! Cause if I didn't do that, we'd have no dramatic tension.

Hi, I'm Niki. I'm going to repeat all the stupid mistakes I made last season!

Next there's Maya and whatever the hell her brother is named. Let's repeat the same scene for them three weeks in a row. It's not important to actually advance their storyline at all.

Hiro and H.R.G. are the only two characters that deserve to be watched.


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gargoylettelc From: gargoylettelc Date: October 9th, 2007 05:43 am (UTC) (Link)
OK, not sure where the Maya/Alejandro story is going, but I know it will become important, as things usually do and will try to be patient. I don't agree with your Peter analysis. I'm just watching and seeing where it's going. If I remember correctly, this is sorta how it started last time, with a slow, weird build up. If you don't like it, change the channel. This post may not help the 'Phil doesn't like anything' rumors.
faerieburst From: faerieburst Date: October 9th, 2007 11:35 am (UTC) (Link)
I am right there with you on the Peter thing. I think every part of his story this season has 1. sucked and 2. made no sense. Let's see....you know you can't do it "on demand" but every time you get into a stressful situation/dangerous situation, you are able to, instinctively, use various powers for your own good. And you know you can heal. So....why don't you just punch the guy with the box, reach into the fire, pull it out, and walk the fuck out of the building?

"Do you like who you are right now?" You mean, the dude that just helped in a ROBBERY for no reason other than, ROBBERY? He likes that guy? He thinks THAT guy is better than whoever he was?

Also, opening the box does not mean you have to go back to whatever life that was. Apparently, this observation was beyond them. Stupid, stupid, stupid story line.

Maya and Alejandro....what the fuck? Seriously, same scene, over and over. Yes, we get it....she gets stressed out and he's not near enough, and she goes all black and inky and kills people...except....not sometimes. So, SOMETIMES when he calms her down, the people come back to life? And sometimes they don't? Um, what? The parameters of this don't seem to make a lot of sense.

Ditto on everything you said about Niki.

And Claire.

Who is H.R.G.?

Hey, looks like Nathan shaves his beard next week. That's an improvement.

gkr From: gkr Date: October 9th, 2007 12:26 pm (UTC) (Link)
H.R.G. = Horn rimmed glasses = Mr. Bennet
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faerieburst From: faerieburst Date: October 9th, 2007 07:01 pm (UTC) (Link)

part one Now you did it

My apologies; I was typing at some ungodly hour and wasn't as clear as I should have been. My bad.

"he's absorbing it into himself. it's not so much "calming her down" as much as it is that he's taking her power, and it's effect on people in the immediate vicinity, and absorbing/processing it."

::nods:: Yeah, I realize that. They made it abundantly clear, with their repeated showings of the process, in consecutive episodes. This scene they've only done in back to back episodes, as opposed to three in a row, but even that leads to part of my issue with it. (To be honest, the first time I saw Alejandro do his little absorption trick, my first thought was "It was so much cooler when Krycek did it back in the mid-90s." But that's because I'm a geek.)

"If he's not around... people die, and apparently it's got something of a time limit (either that or he just didn't care enough to help those people in the back of the truck a few episodes ago"

Yeah, see now you are touching on more of what I was talking about when I said the parameters don't seem to make a lot of sense.

They've repeatedly indicated that she can't seem to control it, it just...happens when she gets very upset and he's not around. Would indicate that he not only can absorb the "ink" once it happens, but he can suppress her before the fact if he's in....some....proximity. However, in this last episode, she seem to be able to turn it on at will.

Also, the time factor either doesn't make sense, or he's a right proper bastard. The truck/coyote episode, they kick him out of the truck, and start driving, with him running after. They aren't driving very fast, fucked up road, big truck, people in the back, but by the time he catches up, they are all dead, so it seems that at least a reasonable bit of time has passed, maybe 15 to 30 minutes. (Though, to be fair, boyo wasn't out of breath when he came running up, which seems to edge in favour of he wasn't running for that long.) He gets there, sees everyone with "ink", makes no attempt to revive them. And in fact, doesn't have to do the absorption trick with her either. (Another bone of contention.) So one presumes that there is some time involved.

Here's my problem with that: the very next episode, Maya and their guide cross a road, and go through a drain pipe. This pipe isn't that long, as they show both women looking back down the pipe and clearly seeing the group of bushes that Alejandro is in. Which means they aren't that far away. The police walk by, wave their flashlights, walk back. Alejandro joins them....and Maya is already "inked" and the guide is "dead." That means the distance of him needing to be near her is relatively short, and her "trigger time" is damn fast. She was only alone with the guide for a few minutes. And Alejandro gets there, absorbs, and reanimates the guide.

Which means that in the truck, the triggering would have happened in just a few minutes as well...which means, the truck, going fairly slowing, and being disabled rather quickly, wouldn't have gotten that far. And with Alejandro running behind, he would have arrived on it only a couple of minutes after, which is consistent with is not-out-of-breath appearance. So why wasn't he able to revive them? More to the point, why didn't he even TRY? He also didn't have to absorb anything from Maya that time...so it goes away on its own? If so, why does he need to absorb anything ever, and seeing as it didn't go away on its own the next two times, that would seem to indicate that some time has to pass before it will fade on its own....which puts us back in the time parameter that doesn't make sense.
faerieburst From: faerieburst Date: October 9th, 2007 07:02 pm (UTC) (Link)

part two On a roll

And the fact that he didn't even try to revive the smuggled passengers...pretty much makes him an unmitigated monster to allow all those people to die who were simply bystanders.

Not to mention that when Alejandro was grabbed by the police, and hauled away, she was incredibly upset, and alone. And yet, amazingly, no one got "inked." So now...she can control it? What? And she can go into the police station, and turn it on at will? What? The first and third times, someone was physically grabbing her (the coyotes and the police), but the second time, she was just sitting there with the guide, so it isn't a "proximity of physical danger" thing. Not to mention, that the distance between the cops and the holding cells was such that Alejandro wasn't suppressing her....but it was close enough that when he absorbed her, they revived? Then why exactly weren't the police who were flashlighting the drainage pipe affected when she "inked" the guide? They were closer than the holding cells were, where the American student got "inked". ::shakes her head::

Like I said, the parameters they are putting forth don't make a lot of sense. They contradict each other. It's not good writing, as Philip was pointing out.

gkr From: gkr Date: October 9th, 2007 08:29 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: part two On a roll

I think the drainage pipe went underneath a river (why there's a pipe that doesn't look like it drains anything and goes underneath a river that is the border between two countries I don't know) so I expect that the distance actually traveled through the pipe was a fair amount.
faerieburst From: faerieburst Date: October 9th, 2007 08:37 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: part two On a roll

Couldn't have been underneath a river I don't think,...the way the hill was mounded up on both sides of it with lots of shrubby vegetation, but no visible draining or marshiness. It look exactly like a drainage pipe that runs under a built up, probably paved road. Not to mention, like I said before, they showed the women, from the position of the women, looking back through the pipe, and you could easily see the grating, the dirt road, and the bushes they were just hiding in where Alejandro was still at. Like, seeing branches and leaves and stuff. Couldn't have been that far away.

Also, that's another thing! When they opened up last night's episode, they said "Somewhere in Mexico." And then Alejandro says "In a few days, we'll be in America." Um, what? They were making the border crossing THAT NIGHT with the guide...and now they are somehow back in Mexico and a couple of days from crossing? I'm confused.

gkr From: gkr Date: October 9th, 2007 08:44 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: part two On a roll

They said "river" at some point being the border. Perhaps the drainage pipe was just on the way to the river.

However, the border they were crossing I believe was the border into Mexico, not the border out of Mexico.
faerieburst From: faerieburst Date: October 9th, 2007 11:14 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: part two On a roll

Huh? They have been in Mexico this entire time, according to the subtitles...in Mexico, and trying to get to America.

gkr From: gkr Date: October 9th, 2007 11:16 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: part two On a roll

Nope. First episode they were in Honduras or Guatemala or somewhere else in Central America.
gkr From: gkr Date: October 9th, 2007 11:19 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: part two On a roll

Middle of the synopsis says Honduras.
faerieburst From: faerieburst Date: October 9th, 2007 11:25 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: part two On a roll

I stand (sit) corrected. TWoP has them on the streets of San Cristobal for the first episode, and crossing from Guatemala into Mexico in the second episode.

lori_dyann From: lori_dyann Date: October 9th, 2007 03:50 pm (UTC) (Link)
I watched about two minutes of Heroes around a year ago. The dialog was so awful I thought my dinner was going to come back up.
gkr From: gkr Date: October 9th, 2007 04:50 pm (UTC) (Link)
That's been a problem with the series throughout. They could definitely use a Kevin Smith dialog makeover.
mercuryslavejq From: mercuryslavejq Date: October 9th, 2007 05:01 pm (UTC) (Link)

Who cares...he's hot.

gkr From: gkr Date: October 9th, 2007 08:40 pm (UTC) (Link)
I suppose it's only fair to have a male bimbo for you. It's too bad the illusion chick turned out to be fat and ugly (and dead). She was the hot one on the female side.
gargoylettelc From: gargoylettelc Date: October 10th, 2007 11:05 pm (UTC) (Link)
Plus he's been working out and shirtless so far in season 2!
mercuryslavejq From: mercuryslavejq Date: October 9th, 2007 05:02 pm (UTC) (Link)
The thing that actually kept bothering me was the AWFUL blue screen.
faerieburst From: faerieburst Date: October 9th, 2007 07:05 pm (UTC) (Link)
Oh, and Philip, we were both wrong. The number is 12, not 9 or 14. Went back and watched.

Papa Hiro says to Angela, "Papa Devareaux, Linderman, and Papa Petrelli are dead. Now there are only nine of *us* left."

3 + 9 = 12 I can do math! (The second time around.)

Of course, this raises an interesting question. Issac painted 8 paintings in a series, the first being of Papa Hiro's death. The obvious assumption was that all 8 were of 8 of the 9 dying, with the 1 survivor being the one who was bumping them off. But with the revelation that the 8th picture is of H.R.G. dying, who is NOT one of the 12 (unless they want to COMPLETELY contradict themselves and everything they set up about H.R.G. joining the company long after it started), that would mean at least 2 of the 9 survive. Intriguing, just a bit.


kalibra From: kalibra Date: October 12th, 2007 01:19 am (UTC) (Link)
Not only that, but HRG is mundane as far as we know, whereas all the others are "special" albeit in ways we haven't seen yet.

Pity, I was very curious to see what Sulu's power was. Speaking of Trek, was that Uhura as Mica's grandma? And will she turn out to be one of the mysterious 8 (or so)?
gkr From: gkr Date: October 12th, 2007 01:22 am (UTC) (Link)
I'm sure we haven't seen the last of Papa Nakamura: a) flashbacks b) time travel.
faerieburst From: faerieburst Date: October 12th, 2007 01:58 am (UTC) (Link)
Sure looked like Uhura to me. And she would be the right age and family link for being one of the original company members.

Yeah, I wanted to know what Papa Hiro's power was...other than the eyes glowing thing we saw, which we still don't know what exactly that meant. And Mama Petrelli, what the fuck, power does she have? I want to know!

gkr From: gkr Date: October 12th, 2007 03:35 am (UTC) (Link)
It was Nichelle Nichols. I saw the name in the credits at the beginning and was ready to be pissed that she wasn't introduced when they threw her in at the end of the show. But of course, it's kind of how they introduced George Takei. I think it was a bit more effective with Takei though.

Mama Petrelli, don't know what kind of power she does have. But she at least knew a bit on how to fight off Parkman's mind-reading. So I'm wondering if her power is something mind related.
faerieburst From: faerieburst Date: October 12th, 2007 04:55 am (UTC) (Link)
::nods:: I was wondering if it was mind related as well. OR, if, just having been around "special" people as long as she has, as soon as he said what she had been thinking, she realized he could read minds and thus responded accordingly with her next thought. 'Cause I don't think she actually "fought" Parkman off....I think she just made her thoughts directed at him so when he read them, he knew SHE knew what he was doing. And Parkman is pretty spineless, so he backed off.


p.s. I'm wondering if Heroes is going to turn into the Star Trek reunion show. Not only have they had two of the originals, but I was informed that the traitor in Cork County Ireland played the weapons officer on the series Enterprise. Crazy.
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